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How is this even possible?
Last Sunday morning approaching the car park at Turoa this shiny new looking Jeep just ahead of us suddenly lost it and was all over the road.
This didn't happen to the cars in front or behind, just the Jeep.
I didn't notice any ice or slipperiness when I drove over the same spot although the road was slushy and heavily gritted.
There was a chain or 4wd restriction at the time but I'm sure this was to save the roadies from having to pull the odd muppet out of the ditch at the side of the road.
Does anyone know what happened to this muppet in their Jeep?
Maybe they took it out of 4WD? Or slipped and hit the accelerator instead of the brake.
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Perhaps that was it. The only time I've ever had the car move around like that was at Mt Lyford when the road was covered in ice and not gritted.
It was like a dance 
there are large quantities of stupid people around that think since a car is a 4wd, then it must be 4wd all the time..they dont seem to realise that actually need to engage 4wd before all 4 wheels are driving the vehicle.
so maybe it was in 2wd?
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If it was auto then mayby it jumped down a gear and throttled a ton of juice to the wheels. Thats where the hold button on subaru's is super handy.
Another instance of WTF...Yesterday coming down from whaka on the the corner after the passing lane before scoria flat, there was a dude parked sideways blocking both lanes. before the car there was about 20 meters of skid marks going all over the place.
The road was bone dry. The only explanation I can think of is the guy wasn't paying attention and just slammed on his brakes as hard as he could to stop for something..?
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
Maybe they had road tyres on,
Maybe they accelerated too much out of a corner with the grit there (you only need to be half a tyre width out of the grooves and your "in marble/iceskate land"),
Maybe it jumped out of 4WD,
Maybe it wasn't in 4WD to start with,
Maybe they didnt have a clue.
Lots of things could have happened.
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maybe it was one of those 4wd looking 2wds (ie nissan qashqai ) and they didnt have a clue
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Originally posted by: Freshie
maybe it was one of those 4wd looking 2wds (ie nissan qashqai ) and they didnt have a clue
I'm thinking this might be the case. Good enough to trick a roadie but not enough to actually be useful
That said, we've experienced the eery feeling of a 2 ton Landcruiser gliding effortlessly sideways on the Turoa road. 4wd doesn't do much when all 4 are on ice
Originally posted by: rozboonOriginally posted by: Freshie
maybe it was one of those 4wd looking 2wds (ie nissan qashqai ) and they didnt have a clue
I'm thinking this might be the case. Good enough to trick a roadie but not enough to actually be useful
That said, we've experienced the eery feeling of a 2 ton Landcruiser gliding effortlessly sideways on the Turoa road. 4wd doesn't do much when all 4 are on ice
Good theory Freshie but it was a Jeep (I was close enough to read the badges) and as far as I know they area all 4wd.
I think the same way as you about 4wd on ice, it's just 4 rubber tyres.... My eery feeling was sliding backwards down the last part of the lyford access road. Attempt #2 involved me driving up the wrong side of the road with all 4 tyres spinning - 70km/h on the speedo, my estimate was we were moving at about 30. It was great fun but only something I'd ever attempt under very specific circumstances (snowbanks at side of road, good line of sight along road and most importantly no chance of downhill traffic that will appear suddenly).
Jedski, I like your theory, I'd bet money it was an auto as most are, probably only in 2wd and the big old V8 changed down and *blam*.
That's why I drive a manual, I'm a control freak
Not sure about your WTF though, modern cars are really good at skidding in straight lines as people panic. You most often see a straight skid as they slide into the object they are trying to avoid hitting.
not sure if some of the new soft jeeps are 4wd..ie compass.
are all jeeps permanent 4wd? haybe he hadnt engaged it..or could be an issue with having traction control on. Some of these computer assisted systems go haywire on icy roads...eg a mate was driving his dads X5 (normally drives an old style 4wd) and had traction control on, and car did a 360 and smacked into the barrier on bruce road, while in 4wd.
i prefer old style systems, low range and manual transmissions.
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apparently compasses and patriots are either fwd or 4wd.
Also cherokees have "selec trac" which is a part time 4wd system. grand cherokees have permanent 4wd.
so who knows?
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Originally posted by: Freshie
so who knows?
obviously not the person who was driving the Jeep at the time
Love the story about the X5, doubt his Dad was very impressed.
I'm like you, I have low range and manual. The only downside is I sometimes need to remember to change down when passing and then change up as I fly past and start bouncing off the rev limiter
yeah mines diesel..so never gets any higher than about 2500 rpm..even thou metter goes to 6000!!
apparently his dad, didnt think much of the X5,though ended up swapping for an X1..which is prob just as bad..go figure
bmw make good dry road going 4wds
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you want an iron lever that connects your hand to the cogs inside the transfer box. none of this electronic hocus pokus.
I know that makes me sound old but it's true.
well u dont see the taleban or various other "bad" people driving X'5's aye!
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You don't see the car parking staff at RAL driving X5s either. I think it was a Toyota Hilux I saw last weekend. I guess that this means they are Taleban too
apart from the above all jeeps are full time 4wd so always in 4wd. Its still easy to get caught out and a big 4wd is always going to look more exiting going sideways than a normal car but it can happen to anyone.
All he had to do was touch the brakes a little hard while one wheel was on loose grit. If traveling below a certain speed the abs stops working and in those conditions it can make things worse not better anyway.
Once things go slightly pear shaped if you dont apply correct skid control you get what you saw. Too many people dont know what to do after a skid starts and if the conditions are wrong skid control is going to do a far better job of saving you than all the modern toys.
The toys work and can make 95% of situations better but this could be the other 5 where wits work better
Spot on Geeves, the car doesn't drive itself, thats where the DRIVER comes into play.
Tomorrow, watch the Bruce road for an asian guy in a Daihatsu Charade. He was buying some chains today at the ski shop in quite possibly the worst ski mobile ever
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how dare u say that! daihatsu charades are good little wee wagons..i can remember many a trip to turoa in one
something like an austin maxi would be worse surely?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUxR0m8EHcg [youtube.com]
tough truck!
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I refrain, it was actually was one of these
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Daihatsu/Mira/auction-314495142.htm [trademe.co.nz]
they can't even give it away, even though it only takes $34 of gold in the tank
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
probably better than u think.
im a 2 time daihatsu owner so i will take nothing negative about the marque
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here u go..mira/cuore ripping in the snow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8s0599UynA&feature=related [youtube.com]
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So this will be you on the bruce tomorrow?
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
Nothing is impossible for some drivers!....even crashing where no logical reason for them to crash.
Originally posted by: jedski
So this will be you on the bruce tomorrow?
no im not heading down, besides im a slow driver as i said..and i have a fourtrak not a mira.
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nah heres me making my own way up the mountain.
bruce road? Pfftt!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHrJXgvwSOg [youtube.com]
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The way the muppets take up the bruce on 4wd days is way more challeging, and way more rocky for that matter.
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
Like them muppets in 4wds that overtake Buses on the S-bend below the passing lane in poor visibilty.
Actually throw the muppets that like to overtake anything on blind corners heading up or down, strangly in 4wds.
Followed a Ford Falcon down today was wondering why he was sticking to around 50kph tops when I noticed he was travelling on a dry road with snow chains on. Lets put it this way when he got to the last corner of the Bruce you could see the car had a slight fish tail with the rear mounted chains, when he went over the bridge they were lucky not to have collected another vehicle.
Would you believe the guy went as far as the first bridge below the golf course before stopping to take the chains off.
They must have been buggered chains and him lucky not to spin off the road. Chains work better when they have something to grip.
Gavspad, Is your car 4wd?
Isn't part of car park/road crews job to sort out chain issues near the end of the day when pwople start to laeve?
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Far out... on the way up on Saturday morning, going about 70kmh just south of Waiouru and the Isuzu Bighorn in front of us just decides all of a sudden to do some pirouettes. On a straight and level road... I think it did a little shimmy and the driver wrenched on the steering wheel and got all out of shape.
Big brakes, good tires and one hell of a badass 4wd system (I love you Subaru!) saved us there, I think. A lesser car would have collected them.
From there through to 'Kune we drove with about 200m of following distance. Sketchy! Never seen the roads that far south looking like that before.
Subaru drivers are the biggest wanks out and they get upset the best when you say that to them
Most can not drive for toffees thats whay the buy these 4wd tanks to feel safe in, never mind any other farker on the road who gets hit by one.
Oh look a bit of ice I think I will put my brakes on and turn the steering wheel tossers 
Automatic gearboxes, power steering, AWD, 4WD, ABS, SBS, SRS etc etc etc count for nothing.
Jaffa take out an F of your name. It's wanks like you who by your name probably only get 15 days sliding a year. You popped out of no where and are all of a sudden on the attack. Some of use rely on 4wd subarus for our livelyhood.
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Originally posted by: rozboon
Far out... on the way up on Saturday morning, going about 70kmh just south of Waiouru and the Isuzu Bighorn in front of us just decides all of a sudden to do some pirouettes. On a straight and level road... I think it did a little shimmy and the driver wrenched on the steering wheel and got all out of shape.
Big brakes, good tires and one hell of a badass 4wd system (I love you Subaru!) saved us there, I think. A lesser car would have collected them.
From there through to 'Kune we drove with about 200m of following distance. Sketchy! Never seen the roads that far south looking like that before.
big horns are part time 4wd, so he was definitely in 2wd when u saw him.
I have had a shimmy couple times in the shady area on turoa road, have stopped to put in 4wd and been fine after.
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the trouble with vehicles like that, is you can't really drive in 4wd on a dry tarseal road without putting excessive strain on the transfer box and possibly damaging the transmission, especially on winding mountain roads. So if you have a combination of dry road and icy patches, you have to keep your hubs locked in and flick it in and out of 4wd when required. most drivers are not sharp enough to do that.
I prefer an auto for serious 4WD business. If you don't know why autos are good you probably haven't done any serious 4WD malarkey
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I reckon hybrid technology is the future for serious off-roading. Electric motors deliver maximum torque at 0rpm and there's no fuel wastage through a tourque converter and time spent with the engine idling when you get out to assess the terrain, attach strops or whatever.
Originally posted by: Jaffa
Subaru drivers are the biggest wanks out and they get upset the best when you say that to them
Most can not drive for toffees thats whay the buy these 4wd tanks to feel safe in, never mind any other farker on the road who gets hit by one.
Oh look a bit of ice I think I will put my brakes on and turn the steering wheel
Automatic gearboxes, power steering, AWD, 4WD, ABS, SBS, SRS etc etc etc count for nothing.
Jesus Colin, just go away, honestly.
hmm..autos in 4wd..some ppl believe it, but i personally dont..engine braking is far superior in a manual. I prefer to have control and not rely on the car making the decision for you.
thats true about transmission windup, i would only change in 4wd when things get really serious..ie a 90 degree turn by itself with snow on side of road type of situation.
Also pretty difficult to cut in and out of 4wd if u have free wheel hubs..guess shift on fly type 4wd is the way to go, or permanent system
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I love my AWD Subaru, but then, I do happen to be a bit of a tosser.
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most automatic hubs only unlock after rotating backwards half a turn so once they're locked they should stay locked on the highway.
Rozboomer another tosser or are brightons pimple as well
Subby drivers piss me off big time especially those driven by wanks with a plank on the roof. Ignorant tossers that like to cut people and think they are the best drivers on the farking road. News for you next time you want to cut past a B-train leave the driver some room unless you want to end up as part of the grill.
Originally posted by: Mr. Splodge
most automatic hubs only unlock after rotating backwards half a turn so once they're locked they should stay locked on the highway.
i got manual hubs..so need to get out of vehicle to lock and unlock them..slight hassle, but will never unlock unless u manually move them..unlike some auto hub systems which have been known to unlock in dire situations
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Originally posted by: Jaffa
Rozboomer another tosser or are brightons pimple as well
Subby drivers piss me off big time especially those driven by wanks with a plank on the roof. Ignorant tossers that like to cut people and think they are the best drivers on the farking road. News for you next time you want to cut past a B-train leave the driver some room unless you want to end up as part of the grill.
Get some anger management sorted Macs, before you hurt yourself.
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Originally posted by: Jaffa
Subaru drivers are the biggest wanks out and they get upset the best when you say that to them
What a numbnuts....
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You are a joke mate. I have never seen someone cauze so much caos on what must be their day posting. Whats the bet this wumpchim hardly ever gets to the mountain and one of those boarders that think they are the bomb even though they strait up SUCK.
I reackon he drives his 5th FWD Nissan Primera with a gay bodykit on it beacuase he keeps crashing.
If you ever do get to the mountain be sure to introduce yourself to a guy in an orange jacket and blue pants and not be a numbnuts hiding behind a computer 
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
Your on jediskid what I drive will piss all over your subby gay machine. Last crash was a subby snow kid that wedged themselves under the back axle trying to overtake when they could not.
Post a picture on here so I will not mistake you for someone else
I literally do not have a pic of me skiing. Some of us are too busy doing the 8.30-4 grind with sticks stapped to our feet.
Thats why I drive a standard suby. Doesn't get stolen, insurance low and people don't think you are a boy racer
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Your still a subaru driving tosser with a set of sticks in the back. Get yourself a job you wont have so much time on your hands 
ps Got three days off what you reckon to the weather it must be snowing chunks.
Sticks have a spot reserved on the roof really. It's called don't be a loser, make snow your top priority, get a flexible job and get up there.
Pfft 3 days...I ski atleast 4 days a week. Damn weather ATM tho
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Originally posted by: Freshie
hmm..autos in 4wd..some ppl believe it, but i personally dont..engine braking is far superior in a manual. I prefer to have control and not rely on the car making the decision for you.
I was trolling a little but it's really a bit of an either or argument.
Pluses of auto: impossible to stall, and you can seriously INCH along in a way that is very hard to do in a manual (well most, unless 1st is a very very low ratio) without stripping the clutch (try climbing over something tricky slooooowly), gear changes with no loss of momentum (handy in sand).
Minuses: the engine braking is not as good, it's not far off with a good box though. But if you're going downhill in drive when you need engine braking you need your head checked. 1/2 selected manually pretty much does the trick.
And some other minuses I'm too lazy to type
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Originally posted by: jedski
Sticks have a spot reserved on the roof really. It's called don't be a loser, make snow your top priority, get a flexible job and get up there.
Pfft 3 days...I ski atleast 4 days a week. Damn weather ATM tho
ehh? who gives a sh it couple months time all you will be doing is laying in bed playing with your wanga no work and no snow. Then who is the loser.
^^^hand throttle does the trick for very very slow movement. however i agree with u there in most cases.
manuals generally far more ecohnomically than autos..thou i have seen some as good or even better 6 speed autos this year.
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Originally posted by: merryMinuses: the engine braking is not as good, it's not far off with a good box though. But if you're going downhill in drive when you need engine braking you need your head checked. 1/2 selected manually pretty much does the trick.
And some other minuses I'm too lazy to type
I saw a Forester the other day that didn't have L or 1,2. It only had Park, drive,, neutral and reverse. I asked the guy about low and he said 'oh you can change the gears on the steering wheel'. Anyone know if that means it has a Low? I'd hate to drive it down the hill in Drive.
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Probably tiptronic. Which is a sucky POS but it does mean you can downshift manually I think.
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Gaper.
^^ Jaffa hasn't heard of hemispheres.
Typical of foresters to be rubbish. I saw one when in auckland the other day with 4 polly's in it cruising down the road with the engine looking like it was mostly held ther with heaps of ropes and some sort of wrench contraption as the steering wheel.
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Originally posted by: merry
Probably tiptronic. Which is a sucky POS but it does mean you can downshift manually I think.
Ok I guess I'm super ignorant then. I always thought the L and 1 were lower than the 'auto' ones you get in Drive.
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Geezz jaffa bit of hatered goin round you need to chill out.
Bet you drive your daddy's X5 ae
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