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Skis for an intermediate female
Hey all,
I'm looking for a quick advice on some good skis for my female friend. She asked me to help her out, but i'm an ignorant snowboarder and don't know much about skis.
She's been skiing for a couple of years now, can confidently go down most blue runs on Ruapehu. She always wanted to learn to ride backwards, but that is probably as far as her freestyle aspirations will go 
So basically looking for some easy to turn , stable, confidence-promoting skis, which can hold themselves on Ruapehu's crud.
Best if they're available here, but might consider importing. And while we ate at it suggest boots too of you're feeling generous
Cheers guys and girls!
Some skis equivalent to the K2 Public Enemy Twin Tip could be worth a look. Most dedicated womens skis are softer flexing than mens so a twin tip softer flexing than the PE could be worth a look too. Dont go any wider than 85mm under foot for her first twin tips.
I always recommend demoing skis before buying. I ski on 98mm underfoot/rockered tip/153cm K2 Payback and 117mm/rockered both ends/177cm Kingswood SMB. I did have some Solomon Mai Tai twin tips but found them a bit dead/stiff compared to the current skis. A few female friends ski/have demo'd the K2 range and really like them. A rockered tip is great for dealing with Ruapehu crud. And remember no ski is a forever ski (tell that to the old Ruapehu boys still on straights :laugh as her skiing progresses. Boots depend on what fits best. Probably not too stiff.
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Thanks cassina and Jude, great advice! Will definitely give K2 range a good look. Unfortunately we never seem to be on the mountain whenever there's a demo day.
Keep it coming
Originally posted by: cassina
Dont go any wider than 85mm under foot for her first twin tips.
originally posted by: jude
. I ski on 98mm underfoot/rockered tip/153cm K2 Payback and 117mm/rockered both ends/177cm Kingswood SMB
Even if you're not up the mountain when the demos are on it's worth asking the shops if they've got any demos going. A lot of stores keep demo stock that they will rent out to you.
Is she into off-trail riding at all, or is she likely to stick to the groomed slopes?
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Hold your fire! I'm the expert here. 20 years running a rental, specialising in (amongst other things) performance women's gear.
Boots boots boots, it's all about boots. Get her to buy the best boots she can afford. if they cost a little more then so be it, the cost is long forgotten as the years go by, and good boots last many years. Fit is the first and last rule of boots. Size matters!!!! Most people have boots that are too big for them. Get size right first then shape is next. Different brands have their own signature shape (lasting), I'm a Lange foot for example. Size, shape, next spec. Go as far up the scale as you can afford. Old stock is a great way to get a better bang for your buck.
Skis? Come see me and rent. There are tons of choices and it's entirely up to her as to which pair makes her tingle. Others advice is largely irrelevant.
There is the option many of my clients take which is to own boots and never own skis. They rent from our select range every year. new skis every year and different skis each time depending on the conditions.
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Oh I forgot to say... An intermediate skier does NOT want intermediate skis. Advanced skis will raise her game delightfully. Don't be afraid of something with a bit of grunt.
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Originally posted by: brighton pumpsOriginally posted by: cassina
Dont go any wider than 85mm under foot for her first twin tips.originally posted by: jude
. I ski on 98mm underfoot/rockered tip/153cm K2 Payback and 117mm/rockered both ends/177cm Kingswood SMB
But I think Jude is an expert and the lady wants her first twin tips so best not to get anything to technical to start off with. My first mid fat twin tips were 169 PEs
169cm. They are an easy ski with a medium flex which may or may not suit a woman depending on her weight.
Originally posted by: fatboy
Thanks cassina and Jude, great advice! Will definitely give K2 range a good look. Unfortunately we never seem to be on the mountain whenever there's a demo day.
Keep it coming
Demo days are not as common as they once were due to the high costs skifields charge the rental guys. A very good site for reviews is www.epicski.com
^^At ruapehu Demos have been rife this season. Most days of the week at times and shops demo out skis aswell.
You hear this Jude. All those gnarly lines you have been shreading have got you spyed! 
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She's probably gonna stick to groomers at least for the next couple of years.
Originally posted by: edgehi
Hold your fire! I'm the expert here. 20 years running a rental, specialising in (amongst other things) performance women's gear.
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Skis? Come see me and rent. There are tons of choices and it's entirely up to her as to which pair makes her tingle. Others advice is largely irrelevant.
Haha, thanks edgehi, some very good points. If it was up to me then renting from you to try a couple of options definitely sounds like a proper way to go. But I think she's quite set on getting skis at the end of this season, and I don't think she would have the time to go up. So it might have to be the usual way, not the proper way.
I think twin tips would work well for her.Anything particular to look out for in them apart from width?
Originally posted by: cassina
Some skis equivalent to the K2 Public Enemy Twin Tip could be worth a look. Most dedicated womens skis are softer flexing than mens so a twin tip softer flexing than the PE could be worth a look too. Dont go any wider than 85mm under foot for her first twin tips.
Hmmm, recommending gear that is about 4+ seasons old...Also, this year's K2 Recoil (ski that replaced the extreme which replaced the PE) is 90mm underfoot :/
Have heard good things about the Missconduct by K2 though...but really, the best thing to try would be to talk her out of getting skis this year and get her to wait until next season so she can try out a whole bunch of skis; it's such a personal thing
Boots-wise is as edgehi says - they are the most important piece of hardware to own yourself. It may be difficult to find a boot that fits well at this time of year - lots of shops may well be running low on sizes/range. If you can find one that fits damn well, go for it, but don't let her settle for anything less than a good fit - it'll just ruin the skiing experience, and increase cost in the long run when she has to buy new boots again because they make her feet sore...
get her to call me 0274443437
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Agree totally with Edgehi's comments - as I said no ski is forever and get the boots that fit best...for skiing and not walking around the shop. Obviously they shouldn't hurt but nor should they feel like comfy but sloppy ugg boots
Strongly recommend trying before buying and go for the ski best for purpose. My twin tips didn't do anything for my skiing. Sure they may look 'trendy' but would be a mistake only to get them for skiing backwards occassionally. Whatever you do don't get talked into a man's ski or one of those unisex ones.
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Originally posted by: fatboy
She's probably gonna stick to groomers at least for the next couple of years.
Originally posted by: edgehi
Hold your fire! I'm the expert here. 20 years running a rental, specialising in (amongst other things) performance women's gear.
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Skis? Come see me and rent. There are tons of choices and it's entirely up to her as to which pair makes her tingle. Others advice is largely irrelevant.
Haha, thanks edgehi, some very good points. If it was up to me then renting from you to try a couple of options definitely sounds like a proper way to go. But I think she's quite set on getting skis at the end of this season, and I don't think she would have the time to go up. So it might have to be the usual way, not the proper way.
I think twin tips would work well for her.Anything particular to look out for in them apart from width?
Modern Twin Tips (not the Public Enemy I stated earlier) can have rocker and camber. The rockered tip makes turning easier and a rockered ski should be bought in a length 10mm longer than a non rockered ski due to the rockered tip
making them easy to turn. For good grip on ice/firm snow the ski should have camber too. As others have said demoing is really the way to go but failing that
Google skis she is interested in for reviews. There will be reviews of skis demoed by women on the net. Good Luck
Ok, seems she will do the right thing and rent some twin-tips and some advanced/upper intermediate skis from edgehi next season. Boots will have to wait until next season as well Thanks for all the advice! It was actually very helpful, even though it might seem otherwise
@ Cass -So a lady skiing a 142cm K2 true love pre rocker should get a 152cm in the latest rockered ones as a rule of thumb...don't think so.
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edgy's right ...boots always ...boots first ! ..rent the skis or demo some next ..just like we do . take care , have fun
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Originally posted by: jedski
@ Cass -So a lady skiing a 142cm K2 true love pre rocker should get a 152cm in the latest rockered ones as a rule of thumb...don't think so.
With rockered skis a lot more of the tip is up in the air on firm snow than non rockered skis so the contact length with the snow makes the ski appear shorter hence my reason for making the recomendation to go 10cm longer. In powder when the full length of the ski is in contact they feel shorter again due to the improved float made by the rockered tip. While I am saying this from my experience I would imagine the same would apply to women and womens skis. Lets not forget she is after a ski to progress into.
^^Were talking lower skill level womans skis. The point of the rocker in the skis in question is to make skiing easier and more enjoyable. Hard chargers are where the logic apply's , hence the reason I am looking at 136mm Underfoot and 194cm long SMB's for another REAL serious ski...
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I have performance women's boots to rent.
I have women's specific all mountain, race, rocker etc etc. the choice is huge. That's how I lure high performance chicks into the shop.
;^}
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how do u lure the sheep in then?
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Originally posted by: jedski
^^Were talking lower skill level womans skis. The point of the rocker in the skis in question is to make skiing easier and more enjoyable. Hard chargers are where the logic apply's , hence the reason I am looking at 136mm Underfoot and 194cm long SMB's for another REAL serious ski...
You are the one that bought up the hard charger or expert level ski I never recomended such a ski just a longer length than non rockered skis not more expert.
^^^calm down children
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He can't handle the fact he is wrong. Just because a ski is rockered doesn't mean go longer. Heck, every darn ski in the K2 range is rockered 
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@ freshie...
Woolly jumpers,
of course!
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Originally posted by: jedski
You are right if the person buying prefers short radius as opposed to long radius
GS turns. I prefer long radius GS Turns where a longer ski offers better stability and safety at speed. You should understand that if you are buying 194cm skis.
By recomending 10cm longer I was not meaning the longest length you can get.
Over all rockered skis are a very complex catagoury with differing degrees of rocker tip and tail and some with or without camber. Demoing would be recommended.
for this catagoury more than any other.
*edited 02 Nov 2011 15:47
Originally posted by: cassina
Over all rockered skis are a very complex catagoury with differing degrees of rocker tip and tail and some with or without camber. Demoing would be recommended.
for this catagoury more than any other.
Exactly, so why make stupid blanket statements like "Buy rockered skis 10cm longer". A ski with cambered tail and underfoot with very slight tip rocker, say 5mm @ 20cm, such as a lot of the K2 all-mountain range, I would say buy it at the same length as normal.
If it's got HUGE tip and tail rocker, say 60mm @ 50cm like the Movement Flyswatter, with no camber, you could go up to 20cm longer because the effective edge on hardpack is going to be 100cm less than the overall length of the ski so it'll be a piece of piss to initiate turns anyway.
If you're doing long-radius GS turns the entire edge should be engaged anyway, so rockered or otherwise won't make a difference in the effective length of the ski.....
You call my statement stupid but agree that with a rockered ski the effective edge
is shorter and so its ok to go longer which must make both our statements stupid then or are you only attacking my opinion because I left out the word HUGE? Level of engagement is entirely dependant on the surface of the snow as some rockered skis
suffer from tip flap or chatter on firm icy snow.
^^Get over it dude. There is a big difference between the skis in question and a rocker over 100 underfoot and 40cm of rocker in the front. The skis in question are intermediate+ all mountain boards, not big Mt Rockers. But what would I know...next season the quiver should have 4 skis over 120mm underfoot and skinnier rockers to boot aswell. Then theres Roz - What kind of clown takes 'Bents to a sheet ice day, i wonder...
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Originally posted by: cassina
You call my statement stupid but agree that with a rockered ski the effective edge
is shorter and so its ok to go longer which must make both our statements stupid then or are you only attacking my opinion because I left out the word HUGE? Level of engagement is entirely dependant on the surface of the snow as some rockered skis
suffer from tip flap or chatter on firm icy snow.
Sigh, learn to read. I said that depending on the rocker you may not want to go any longer at all or you might need to go a full 20cm longer. And yes, I'll attack you for leaving out important bloody words when stating your opinions. Like when you talk about your Race BRANDED gear while omitting the fact that they're only Race BRANDED and not necessarily Race level equipment, they just have a sticker on the side that BRANDS them as Race. Kinda like Fischer Race kiddies skis with 4 DIN bindings.
Hell no, those bad boys go to 4.5 DIN, phewy
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^^^ you guys missed the point entirely :P
Originally posted by: cassina
The rockered tip makes turning easier and a rockered ski should be bought in a length 10mm longer than a non rockered ski due to the rockered tip
making them easy to turn.
10mm longer guys only 1 cm in total, I'm sure most skiers could probably handle that :P
On a more serious note, many of the skis that have been labelled to have rocker should not be skied any longer. For instance, a ski that Cassina knows and loves is the Volkl AC50, which has been replaced by the RTM series of skies, of which the wider, burlier ones of the series are touted as "full rocker" and as such have no camber at all. Cassina, would you suggest someone go to a 187cm of the RTM series because they used to ski on a 177cm AC50?
Originally posted by: tripleSquare
^^^ you guys missed the point entirely :P
Originally posted by: cassina
The rockered tip makes turning easier and a rockered ski should be bought in a length 10mm longer than a non rockered ski due to the rockered tip
making them easy to turn.
10mm longer guys only 1 cm in total, I'm sure most skiers could probably handle that :P
On a more serious note, many of the skis that have been labelled to have rocker should not be skied any longer. For instance, a ski that Cassina knows and loves is the Volkl AC50, which has been replaced by the RTM series of skies, of which the wider, burlier ones of the series are touted as "full rocker" and as such have no camber at all. Cassina, would you suggest someone go to a 187cm of the RTM series because they used to ski on a 177cm AC50?
The RTMs only go to 181cm so that would be my recomendation for someone on 177 AC50s As I skied the ACs in 184cm it would possibly be a backward step for me to get them. It will be interesting to see if they will still be sold in 181cm for the 2012 season. Anyway I now like my Motherships at 195cm better now.
Originally posted by: rozboonOriginally posted by: cassina
You call my statement stupid but agree that with a rockered ski the effective edge
is shorter and so its ok to go longer which must make both our statements stupid then or are you only attacking my opinion because I left out the word HUGE? Level of engagement is entirely dependant on the surface of the snow as some rockered skis
suffer from tip flap or chatter on firm icy snow.
Sigh, learn to read. I said that depending on the rocker you may not want to go any longer at all or you might need to go a full 20cm longer. And yes, I'll attack you for leaving out important bloody words when stating your opinions. Like when you talk about your Race BRANDED gear while omitting the fact that they're only Race BRANDED and not necessarily Race level equipment, they just have a sticker on the side that BRANDS them as Race. Kinda like Fischer Race kiddies skis with 4 DIN bindings.
As I have said before if you feel that branded Race gear is being incorrectly labeled
why not make a complaint to the manufacterers or commerce commission for false labeling. As this has never beeen done before perhaps most and I say most people can actually race in the gear after all
Originally posted by: cassina
The RTMs only go to 181cm so that would be my recomendation for someone on 177 AC50s As I skied the ACs in 184cm it would possibly be a backward step for me to get them. It will be interesting to see if they will still be sold in 181cm for the 2012 season. Anyway I now like my Motherships at 195cm better now.
Oh so even the manufacturers which you seem to have absolute faith in (since you believe that their labeling about race gear is ALWAYS absolutely correct) believe you are wrong. If skiing rocker always meant skiing a ski 10cm longer, then they should've brought out a 194 RTM to suit those who skied a 184 AC? I wonder why they didn't? Maybe because you don't always ski 10cm longer because they rockered? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
As I have said before if you feel that branded Race gear is being incorrectly labeled
why not make a complaint to the manufacterers or commerce commission for false labeling. As this has never beeen done before perhaps most and I say most people can actually race in the gear after all
Nobody but you (and maybe some other people like you) are retarded enough to believe that because something has the word "Race" on it, it is actually a proper piece of race equipment. I provided a few other examples of where a word that someone has put on something means stuff all. Heres a few more:
Armada skis are not actually a naval fleet.
The Rossignol Vipers are not snakes.
The Rossignol Bandits do not actually steal things.
The Mons Royale brand is not actually associated with the Monarch.
Icebreaker clothing does not break ice.
The Dalbello Krypton boot is not actually made of Krypton.
Cactus clothing isn't spikey.
I could go on and on and on about things that are branded/labelled with names that aren't actually indicative of what they are, but there isn't much point. If you don't get my drift (and everyone elses here) then there is not point listing more.
And also, just because someone can race in gear, doesn't mean they are race skis. For instance, rozboon and jedski could race in their hellbents, but they still would not be classed as race skis.
*edited 03 Nov 2011 11:16
Originally posted by: tripleSquareOriginally posted by: cassina
The RTMs only go to 181cm so that would be my recomendation for someone on 177 AC50s As I skied the ACs in 184cm it would possibly be a backward step for me to get them. It will be interesting to see if they will still be sold in 181cm for the 2012 season. Anyway I now like my Motherships at 195cm better now.
Oh so even the manufacturers which you seem to have absolute faith in (since you believe that their labeling about race gear is ALWAYS absolutely correct) believe you are wrong. If skiing rocker always meant skiing a ski 10cm longer, then they should've brought out a 194 RTM to suit those who skied a 184 AC? I wonder why they didn't? Maybe because you don't always ski 10cm longer because they rockered? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
As I have said before if you feel that branded Race gear is being incorrectly labeled
why not make a complaint to the manufacterers or commerce commission for false labeling. As this has never beeen done before perhaps most and I say most people can actually race in the gear after all
Nobody but you (and maybe some other people like you) are retarded enough to believe that because something has the word "Race" on it, it is actually a proper piece of race equipment. I provided a few other examples of where a word that someone has put on something means stuff all. Heres a few more:
Armada skis are not actually a naval fleet.
The Rossignol Vipers are not snakes.
The Rossignol Bandits do not actually steal things.
The Mons Royale brand is not actually associated with the Monarch.
Icebreaker clothing does not break ice.
The Dalbello Krypton boot is not actually made of Krypton.
Cactus clothing isn't spikey.
I could go on and on and on about things that are branded/labelled with names that aren't actually indicative of what they are, but there isn't much point. If you don't get my drift (and everyone elses here) then there is not point listing more.
And also, just because someone can race in gear, doesn't mean they are race skis. For instance, rozboon and jedski could race in their hellbents, but they still would not be classed as race skis.
Whether you go 10 cm longer or not, ability would influence what length you get too. A possible reason why they did not bring out the RTM in 195 could be that
it would be a difficult to sell in that length. The ACs in 184 are difficult to sell
which could explain why they did not make the RTM longer.
As for your views on race labeled gear I have yet to read reviews that such gear is unsuitable for high speed skiing on icy slopes and I have never read a review that has recommended race gear for anyone less than advanced/expert ability. You know more than the reviewers I guess!! If the labeling was so false surely the reviewers who have skiied many more skis than you and me would pick that up?
another golden trainwreck
Just had to create an account to say how terrible PE (or newer version) is an absolutely awful suggestion.
But while im here...
"looking for some easy to turn , stable, confidence-promoting skis"
So suggestions of an advanced level mens ski for someone who is on blues and looking for a good time is just plain wrong.
Going backwards for fun a few times a day does not require a twintips with the kick they are sticking on most skis tails now. K2 ladies skis are doing very well although you will have to look at more recent years (with the rockered tip and stiffer tail) perfect for what it sounds like shes after with nice easy turns but will still push you really well (although you can still look at twin tips im just saying don't only look for them).
If you are looking at skis without rockers then A season or 2 old Dynastars would be good they have some of the best (RRPs are much more reasonable thanks to suppliers in NZ) but I would still mainly look in the women's range, her weight and how aggressive a skier she is should be taken into account (I'm assuming she is the middle of both ranges with what you have said).
Also do not go higher than a lower advanced level ski, as much as she wants a ski to grow into she is still going for pleasure and too advanced will take that away from her.
All in all I would suggest:
K2 One Luv - easier narrower of my suggestions
K2 Free Luv - more advanced of my suggestions
Dynastar Exclusive Active - Similar to Free Luv not quite as stiff in the tail, which is probably a downside from your point of view.
If you do want twintips then MissConducts probably best fit the bill as someone already mentioned
P.S as already said Boots are top of the list way before skis. Oh and being able to go down an advanced run does not necessarily mean you are anywhere near to being an advanced skier as some jokers seem to suggest.
Oh and your 190+ Rocker skis will be a lot easier to sell next season since all the suppliers are adding them to their lists.
190+ cm skis are like hot cakes world wide these days. Most good reviews refer to a 183 or 188cm ski feeling too short if the skier is taller.
I skied a race couse switch on 'Bents the other day so they must be race skis. Any is capable of high speed on icey slopes you clown. Just look at all the punters on rentals boosting trails flat nackers...but their skis probably say race!
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Originally posted by: andytheape
Just had to create an account to say how terrible PE (or newer version) is an absolutely awful suggestion.
But while im here...
"looking for some easy to turn , stable, confidence-promoting skis"
So suggestions of an advanced level mens ski for someone who is on blues and looking for a good time is just plain wrong.
Going backwards for fun a few times a day does not require a twintips with the kick they are sticking on most skis tails now. K2 ladies skis are doing very well although you will have to look at more recent years (with the rockered tip and stiffer tail) perfect for what it sounds like shes after with nice easy turns but will still push you really well (although you can still look at twin tips im just saying don't only look for them).
If you are looking at skis without rockers then A season or 2 old Dynastars would be good they have some of the best (RRPs are much more reasonable thanks to suppliers in NZ) but I would still mainly look in the women's range, her weight and how aggressive a skier she is should be taken into account (I'm assuming she is the middle of both ranges with what you have said).
Also do not go higher than a lower advanced level ski, as much as she wants a ski to grow into she is still going for pleasure and too advanced will take that away from her.
All in all I would suggest:
K2 One Luv - easier narrower of my suggestions
K2 Free Luv - more advanced of my suggestions
Dynastar Exclusive Active - Similar to Free Luv not quite as stiff in the tail, which is probably a downside from your point of view.
If you do want twintips then MissConducts probably best fit the bill as someone already mentioned
P.S as already said Boots are top of the list way before skis. Oh and being able to go down an advanced run does not necessarily mean you are anywhere near to being an advanced skier as some jokers seem to suggest.
If it was so impossible for women to ski mens skis as you make out they would
make womens race skis, not that I would recomend them in this case but the fact
that women can ski them blows your theory. I was told I would find it impossible to ski a race ski myself by a dealer and was told by another I was too old for race skis. So to say my advise is an absolutly awfull sugggestion could be and I stress could be absolutly BS considering you have no presice knowledge of her current ability or potential ambition.
Originally posted by: jedski
190+ cm skis are like hot cakes world wide these days. Most good reviews refer to a 183 or 188cm ski feeling too short if the skier is taller.
I skied a race couse switch on 'Bents the other day so they must be race skis. Any is capable of high speed on icey slopes you clown. Just look at all the punters on rentals boosting trails flat nackers...but their skis probably say race!
Any ski may be cabable but some are a hell of a lot safer than others but if you have never skied a race ski you will never understand that fact possibly.
Everyone grab a pair but they will just sit in the corner. Use my Race Slaloms all of 3 hours this season
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*edited 04 Nov 2011 13:15
*edited 04 Nov 2011 13:14
Women's race skis [atomicsnow.com]
Well, here are some race skis targeted at women...
Oh whoops, they don't actually have the word race in the name. They can't be race skis. I guess they just made them FIS legal for the fun of it /sarcasm
Also, not all skis that have the word Race on them can be legally used as Race skis - (well in proper competition) as they are not necessarily FIS legal
Originally posted by: jedski
Just because you dont like them it does not mean others wont. I spoke to a woman
about 60 who was skiing recreationally on some race stock slaloms so that should
end the debate about women not being able to handle mens skis. BTW I thought you said there was no such thing as Race Slaloms only Race Stock. Or did you leave the word "Stock"out.
^^ Once again he is fishing in open air. Never siad anything as above regarding race stock mumbo jumbo. You seem to be the only one bringing up the "women can't handle race skis" mumbo jumbo, no one else is even dissagreeing it yet you keep arguing the point. Look at Lindsey Von for example, she is so good and strong she is rocking mens FIS skis.
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Heres one for Cass...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/ski-board/ski-boots/auction-420602986.htm [trademe.co.nz]
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Originally posted by: jedski
^^
But you are claiming anything labeled "Race" only is false are you not?????
If you are skiing on anything not labeled Race Stock must mean they are not true
race skis according to you
Originally posted by: cassina
But you are claiming anything labeled "Race" only is false are you not?????
If you are skiing on anything not labeled Race Stock must mean they are not true
race skis according to you
If it says "Race" on it, is FIS legal, is brutally stiff, has race-type interface plates, a metal binding that starts at 8 or 10 DIN at the very least, and is well known as a ski used by competitors at high-level sanctioned race events, then it's a Race ski.
Anything less, no.
If you put a number on the side of a Toyota Starlet and go drive it around a racetrack, does that make it a race car? No, it makes it a Starlet with a sticker on it.
Likewise, if you take a reasonably high end RECREATIONAL ski and put a "Race" sticker on it, it doesn't make it a Race ski. A lot of genuine race skis don't say Race on them anywhere.
Originally posted by: rozboon
A lot of genuine race skis don't say Race on them anywhere.
About sums it up right there...
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Originally posted by: rozboonOriginally posted by: cassina
But you are claiming anything labeled "Race" only is false are you not?????
If you are skiing on anything not labeled Race Stock must mean they are not true
race skis according to you
If it says "Race" on it, is FIS legal, is brutally stiff, has race-type interface plates, a metal binding that starts at 8 or 10 DIN at the very least, and is well known as a ski used by competitors at high-level sanctioned race events, then it's a Race ski.
Anything less, no.
If you put a number on the side of a Toyota Starlet and go drive it around a racetrack, does that make it a race car? No, it makes it a Starlet with a sticker on it.
Likewise, if you take a reasonably high end RECREATIONAL ski and put a "Race" sticker on it, it doesn't make it a Race ski. A lot of genuine race skis don't say Race on them anywhere.
Are you not describing Race Stock skis or is the word "Stock" now replaced with FIS
legal?
Once again you miss the point and don't even know waht FIS legal is yet you are self proclaimed race expert...
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
This thread has turned to dribble.
You're all full of it..
It's up to the individual as to what makes them juicy.
Here is the golden rule....
(assuming you have already got GOOD boots)
Ski on a bunch of skis...
When you find yourself 'skiing the snow' rather than 'skiing the ski' then that is likely to be your new friend. If you find two or three that do that for you then you are spoilt for choice.
Same applies to buying a stereo. When you find yourself listening to the music rather than the stereo, buy that stereo.
Again I'd be delighted to help your gf make an informed choice, without prejudice.
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One good turn deserves another...
there was several posts on another forum that claimed if u guys stopped arguing with cassina this forum would die
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^^Pretty much!
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"If in doubt, straighten 'em out"
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