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Ruapehu 2010
Going to leave the Marker Barons on the K2 Paybacks which are designed as a touring ski - much ligher and shorter than the Kingswoods. Not sure if I can get the Kingswoods on my back without looking silly 
...I'm 165 and they are 177. Depends where the bingings are mounted - slightly to back or middle? I'm going to put the no name Marker bindings that were on the Paybacks on the Kingswoods. Sounds like I'm getting the Kingswoods 
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reine de l'hiver
*edited 09 Nov 2010 14:56
Originally posted by: gurutasker
What's the consideration of surface area for contact to the snow when touring?
I was considering of upgrading eventually to AT bindings on my Line Blends eventually as at the moment I'm a 1 ski quiver, and they have some fairly serious rocker in them.
Less contact = less skin contact = less grip when skinning
Also fat skis reputedly suck when side-hilling (traversing uphill) due to the distance you are out from the hill itself.
Originally posted by: Jude
I'm going to put the no name Marker bindings that were on the Paybacks on the Kingswoods.
Take care that you don't ruin a good ski with a cheap binding - they are all that's holding you on after all.
Mounting, I would recommend going a bit forward of traditional (which is usually ~7.5cm back from core center) - because of the rocker they will still float with ease and being closer to the middle of the skis means they are more balanced and easier to pivot in the tight Japanese trees
Something like +3, +4 would probably suit you well for an all-round ski, although talk to Kingswood about it - they'll know what works well. Just be cautious of old-school people who insist that skis only work when mounted all the way back.
The new thinking with rockered skis seems to be to mount either in the middle of the sidecut (narrowest point) or the middle of the rocker.
Originally posted by: rozboon
*edited 09 Nov 2010 14:56Originally posted by: gurutasker
What's the consideration of surface area for contact to the snow when touring?
I was considering of upgrading eventually to AT bindings on my Line Blends eventually as at the moment I'm a 1 ski quiver, and they have some fairly serious rocker in them.
Less contact = less skin contact = less grip when skinning
Also fat skis reputedly suck when side-hilling (traversing uphill) due to the distance you are out from the hill itself.
Serious rocker on the blends a 100mm ski??? Heck My planks rocker is no where as serious as the latest pow thinking
Side steeping and traversing sure does suck nuts with beefy skis on. You don't want to be doing it much as things really strat to pull and hurt due to the funny angles.
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@ Jude
You sure on the binding choice? Those no name binding looked rather plasticy with a normal mounting pattern. Brakes could also be also be a wee bit of a problem aswell considering the were designed for a 90mm ski.
Squires are probably your best bet. Cheap, can get proper obeise brakes (I think) and they have the wider marker mounting pattern. Like logan said, A cheapo may ruin them.
Kingswoods don't have a massive tail rocker but you still probably wouldn't want to go any further back than 4 odd. Any further back and the skis will always want to be 'wheelying' with a slight backseat.
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*edited 09 Nov 2010 16:18
You could go for some Head/Tyrolia bindings on a rental rail. They are adjustable forward and back so you can play around with centering.
Pivoting in the trees Rozbon??? what! No, keep your tips down the fall line and go, go, go! If you must slow down then do a 'bum-check'.
By the way I've got some Rossi S7's coming my way to take to Red, and I booked my tickets today!!
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Thanks guys...looking at the bindings I agree that best not ruin the Kingswoods with them. I think I was sold a pup - they are kids bindings! Get what you pay for, dodgy %$# 
@ Edgehi - got my tickets, new passport, 3 week contract in Welly to pay for them + season pass but not quite the new skis. Sweet
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reine de l'hiver
*edited 09 Nov 2010 16:50
Originally posted by: edgehi
Pivoting in the trees Rozbon??? what! No, keep your tips down the fall line and go, go, go! If you must slow down then do a 'bum-check'.
Yep, pivoting
*edited 09 Nov 2010 17:14
*edited 09 Nov 2010 17:11
Originally posted by: jedski
Less contact = less skin contact = less grip when skinning
Also fat skis reputedly suck when side-hilling (traversing uphill) due to the distance you are out from the hill itself.
Serious rocker on the blends a 100mm ski??? Heck My planks rocker is no where as serious as the latest pow thinking
Well, serious enough to reduce the length / surface area of the ski. I think it's 20cm each end and up by 6mm.. or it might be 27.5cm x 15mm. Not sure which as I haven't been that bothered to measure!
Certainly good info there.. looks like I should keep an eye out for a different ski with an AT setup then! Does being lighter make it more grippy on the skins or less? The side-hilling point still makes me think otherwise.
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IT Hack & Genuine NutJob
This is probably a really dumb question but...
When you talk about brakes on skis what does that actually mean? Do they work while you're riding or do they just stop your ski from sliding away if they come off?
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Europe 2011 - living the dream
*edited 09 Nov 2010 19:13
^^
The brakes are the wire bits that point out and downwards from the rear heel piece. When the ski is by itself (no skier on it) they are spring loaded to point downwards and dig into the snow to stop it running away.
When a skier 'clicks' into the bindings, they tuck upwards so they are not dragging on the snow. Stops skis from becoming like those lethal runaway snowboards!
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@ edgehi
What are you doing on those ridiculous planks? They don't turn, make you ski like a retard, allow you to charge through the holes instead of tumbling, uneccessary, hard to carry with the rocker,....
....and gues what - YOU'RE GONNA LOVE 'EM!
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Interesting they haven't made something like it for snowboards yet, so many stupid people let them go and they don't stop for miles.
Haha ok cheers Jedski I'm not really up with the play on the skis. Would love to try it, my missus used to ski but caught on the snowboard buzz and it's been hard to con the boys into doing a day on skis. One day I'll give it a burst
One company has come up with a braking system for snowboards, check out Angrysnowboarder.com, they do a not-so-positive article on it
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Europe 2011 - living the dream
Ahh but they do turn, they have quite a sidecut under foot, which is why they get better reviews than other pow pow machines.
ShreddingBen. Youbetcha someone should sort it out for boards. Skis used to have leashes and they got rid of them for the same reason they should get rid of them off boards.
1; they don't work
2 ; they're f'n dangerous.
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*edited 09 Nov 2010 21:53
Originally posted by: ShreddingBen
Interesting they haven't made something like it for snowboards yet, so many stupid people let them go and they don't stop for miles.
Google is your friend Ben, http://www.angrysnowboarder.com/?p=6993 [angrysnowboarder.com]
EDIT: Oh, i see ive been beaten to the punch
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Punter Extraordinaire
hey certantly don't like them do they Ride. Here's a question for you... Whats a 'tuck knee'? They get a bit of a mention but i'm damned if I can figure it out.
S7's may turn but they would get just plain boring as well as you need to win lotto to buy a pair. But hey, my very low skiing abilities may as well be complemented by some poor turning skis, thats why Hellbents are on the add to quiver list
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New one on me mate. This [en.wikipedia.org] is what wikipedia says. Still got no clue.
It's a mystery
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Europe 2011 - living the dream
What I didn't read was the first photo on the LINK. It is just a trick when you touch your board with your back knee when in the air.
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Well the season's over and I'm reasonably stoked with it. Had some really good days, some average ones and some crap ones but on the whole it's been good fun once again.
Last season in NZ for a few years, I'm gonna miss Turoa. For all it's faults it's a great place to ride on a good day
Hopefully 2011 is epic and everyone gets some good turns in
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Europe 2011 - living the dream